Moral Standards?
All too often, those who oppose adult clubs preach to us about moral Standards. They will tell you that it is immoral to see a woman dance with no clothes on, that any sexual activity outside a marriage is wrong and immoral. But where is this written? Where are these "standards" they speak of. Well the truth is that there is no actual moral standard. No list of what is right or wrong by moral standards, just our basic judgment, and our actions. And most adults know what is right and wrong, because they follow the laws. The laws tell us what is right or wrong, it gives us the guide lines to go by.
The moral opinions come from religious beliefs, which are in fact, not the law, they are simply a belief, faith, something that can never be proven. Now, I am not saying that people that choose to live their lives by religious means are wrong, if that life fits them, more power to you, live long and be well, but those that choose to live another life, should be allowed to do so,within the limits of the law.
Sexual activity out side marriage is another religious no no, but again, only some religions. Those that are not religious, or have other beliefs, this is a common thing. Sometimes I feel that religion can blind a person to seeing other peoples ideas and opinions, I have seen this many times. They can only see a point of view based on what their faith tells them. And this is why we needed a separation of church and state. We needed realistic laws over blind faith.
The moral opinions come from religious beliefs, which are in fact, not the law, they are simply a belief, faith, something that can never be proven. Now, I am not saying that people that choose to live their lives by religious means are wrong, if that life fits them, more power to you, live long and be well, but those that choose to live another life, should be allowed to do so,within the limits of the law.
Sexual activity out side marriage is another religious no no, but again, only some religions. Those that are not religious, or have other beliefs, this is a common thing. Sometimes I feel that religion can blind a person to seeing other peoples ideas and opinions, I have seen this many times. They can only see a point of view based on what their faith tells them. And this is why we needed a separation of church and state. We needed realistic laws over blind faith.
posted by Bloodsword6 at Thursday, August 24, 2006
16 Comments:
I'm an atheist and disagree with your post. Cheating on your significant other is wrong. It's not a religious or a political issue. It is a human issue. Maybe some people are cool with open relationships and that's fine for them. But if the openness is not mutual - then it's just plain disrespectful.
Here's something to ponder... why is it that there are tons of strip clubs everywhere you go with female dancers - but you never see any with male dancers? Only the occasional chip-n-dale show that passes thru town twice a year. Could it be because women are more evolved than men and do not require an individual to degrade themselves in front of us for our personal enjoyment?
I hope that all strippers you patronize drain you of every last dollar you have.
Just for kicks I googled "moral standards". I came up with 46,000,000 results. Definitions of moral standards and ethics are availble in excess. Maybe you just weren't looking in the right places... or didn't want to find them.
Actually I have read them there are many post, BUT, They are all posted by religious groups and all are opinions and personal pages. Make sure you actually read them again. None of them are official, some of them vary on content, and even mention music as being bad,
And yes, there are more strip clubs with female dancers, because males are more sexual then females. This is a known fact, clubs that feature female dancers make more money,nothing new. Look up male dancers in Jersey, many male strippers out there and in other states, just none around here. Maybe you just gave the owners a new idea. The night they had the male review 200 women showed up to toss out the singles.
And I agree that cheating is wrong, but everyone just assumes that every guy in a club is cheating on his woman, and that is not true. Those who do not like the club are pushing stereotypes on all those that go. There are several men in the poker group that are married, all there wives know they are there, and are fine with it, many of them have been to the club with their husbands.
Club hater make assumptions that are not true. It has become more of a prejudice than anything in this grand debate.
They assume they are all sex crazed.
That they are all cheating.
That they are all doing illegal activity.
That they are all on drugs
None of which is true.
It is all too common for people to point fingers and push blame these days. Drugs in the area, blame the clubs, hookers in downtown Wilkes-barre, blame the clubs. Do not blame the people, take the easy way out and Blame something you do not like. It's easy.
And as far as them draining every dollar I make. That's gonna be tough at my pay rate. But thanks for the encouragement. Ill make sure I tell the girls that an atheist like me wants me to spend more money on them. And as always, thanks for stopping by.
Anon 12:20 AM
I as well put moral standards in Google. There are many that show up, but all of them have the same general statements, and none are laws or official. All of them are based off of religious beliefs, so if you are an atheist do you believe them?
It is great to teach young people not to steal, cheat, be dishonest, and also not to be superstitions (one of the things these moral sites talk about). And also not to invade in the lives of others. Oh, but wait, that is what the people opposed to the club are doing, invading into the private lives of others. I will not say that going to a strip club is a moral thing, but every day people do something that is not moral. Hell, according to the church folk, you being an atheist is Immoral. That is talked about in this sites. So you have not read them yourself. Or you would have seen that.
there are male strip clubs. Atlantic City has one that I believe is open every weekend. I am a women and I would much rather see the women dance. I am married and have never be unfaithful to my spouse nor do I swing both ways as they say (becasue I know by that comment you would assume that) I saw the male review at the club and stayed after and found the women much more entertaining.
The women are always more entertaining, ask any woman you meet, The female body is more attractive then the male. Clubs which feature women simply are more of a draw.
Mr. Choice. Laws change. Laws are not an objective moral standard. What moral standard do you believe lawmakers should appeal to when they decide on what to vote into law?
The framers of our Constitution considered the Ten Commandments their standard. They chose well.
The commandments are based off of a single religion. There are more than one. And since the days of the constitution we have had a separation of church and state. With so many religions, all based of faith (that which can not be proven) the Church can not make laws based on faith.
You have also made my point, that there is no single moral standard. There for we can only go by law. Not our opinions, likes and dislikes.
Many lawmakers, have tried many times to push forth stricter laws for the adult entertainment industry, and they get denied as they are deemed unconstitutional.
Moral standards vary from culture to culture, there is not one set standard to go by, that was the point of this article There are thousands of culture right here in our great country, but many people view them as wrong because they are different then ours.
There for we stick stereotypes on the, when you see a man or woman walking down the street, with piercing in their lips, eyebrows, nose, many people frown on them, because they are different, they call them freaks. Just the other day as I walked my dog through Kirby park, a Muslim woman played with her children, two men, made harsh comments because of her clothes and religion. Just because it is a different culture and lifestyle they deem it wrong. There is an entire culture with adult entertainment, and people accuse them of being sick, or demented and immoral., just because they are different. This itself is wrong, to judge people by what they do in their own time for enjoyment.
My favorite commandment by the way is "do not covet thy neighbors goods". If we didn't do that, we would not have an economy.
Mr. Choice
Your standard is constantly in flux, therefore it isn't a standard at all.
I realize that you are just trying to give a reasoned defense for your preferences. Still, deep down, I believe that you know what is right and what is wrong.
Thank you for taking the time to respond.
Glad you know me well enough to say I do not have a standard. Like that time last week when we...oh wait..you don't know me.
But I do know what is right and wrong. As I follow the law, They are in print and actually easy to read and follow.
Yes sometimes they do change, and we have to change our ways if the law dictates that. But there are some in our area, who refuse to believe the laws, and when the law does not fit what they want, accuse the local lawmakers of being corrupt.
I have my standards, I have lived by them my entire life. They have never "fluxed" as you have stated. But I do appreciate your time here and thank you for being honest. Everyone is allowed their opinion here. Not like some other sites.
How do you know his standards are constanly in flux? Do you know him? No you do not. I do. And I proud to know him personaly. I have seen this man go to great legnths to help people. Even some he barley knows.
I do not go to strip clubs, I am a female and I do not like them, but I applaud his efforts for standing up for people's rights to go to them since they are legal.
Anon 1:30 PM sounds a lot like Mr.Family making another visit here.
I do not think that Mr.Choice's standards have been in flux at all. I do however feel that Mr.Family's credibility is in flux. As well as his integrity since he is constantly posting untruth's on his site.
We try to establish morality in our world, yet there has never been a set standard. Every culture in society has a different set. Even different parts of our own country have different ideas on the morality standings.
Yes, there are hundreds of morality web sites, but none of them are set in stone as a set rule to follow.
And the constitution was founded by great men, and that constitution says that all men shall be treated as equals. Yet we still to this day do not follow that. We judge, we condemn, and we threat those who have different views with prejudice.
Many that go to adult clubs are treated as if they are lesser people by those who shun that type of entertainment, and that in itself is unconstitutional.
Anon 1:30 pm
Mr.Choice has been the constant in this ongoing battle. His stanard has never changed. It is the person on the other side of the fence who seems to flip flop with some of his wording. I think you are mistaking Mr.Choice for someone else, some one who has, since the begining of this debate,been handing out old and false information.
Always the comic Seph
Just curious, where do you think those laws came from? Also, is it the laws that help you decipher between right and wrong or your conscience? What about laws within a society that persecute and enslave others? Is this correct in saying that these laws are right?
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